I’m very sorry for the farmers, but I can’t help but think back to the interviews before the election with farmers in the Midwest who were so disgusted with the Democrats that they had decided to cast their lot with Trump who was going to save them! Trump told everyone what he was going to do. Tariffs! If you do your homework you should know that tariffs hurt the consumer and they have far-reaching consequences. All of this could have easily been avoided.
I agree completely with you. I was thinking the same exact thing. I am perplexed by the fact that people are surprised by all of the chaos and trouble coming up. Trump is a chaos maker and he loves chaos. And the bigger problem is that he’s trying to run the Country, and its people, like a business because all he thinks about is money and attention, power and profits. He’s all about profits over people. I don’t know how so many people were duped into believing that he would “save” them or that he cared about them at all?! He’s made it very clear he does not care about anybody else but himself. He needs to be forcibly removed from office along with all his buddies and put in jail or sent off to some foreign island where he has nothing, and he has to figure out how to survive like the rest of us.
As a farmer in Minnesota - please do not lump us as all voting for Trump! This attitude - lumping farmers with MAGA - is a serious problem. Please re-examine your mindset. These tariffs are a disaster, and MANY of us knew this was coming if he was elected.
Don't be. They are sitting on multi-million dollars of land as well as trusts and every tax advantaged possible land transfer. They will be fine no matter what, that's the point, they want to hurt you for existing. They want to hurt you because they didn't understand your social group or context, and simply want to hurt you because it somehow takes away from their existence. You know, narcissism aka Minnesota Nice. They bullied the fuck out of anyone different, in any way as kids, what do you think they are like as adults? It doesn't change, it's like being trapped in middle school.
Trump lied about everything else though, and remember last time tarrifs weren't that bad - they were selective and the government reimbursed US farmers for their losses.
YUP ! These adults who voted voted intentionally for the rhetoric that was clearly specified before the election and so I agree with you except for your first six words… I don’t feel sorry for someone that gets exactly what they voted to happen. I don’t feel sorry for farmers….
There are no more important than the national defense the nuclear scientists that were fired this weekend the FBI and CIA agents who have literally put their lives on the line for the security of our country… The teachers and foreign aid workers that have been terminated without notice… If farmers are pissed, tell them to call Trump not post bullshit on social media
Trump did absolutely not lie! He advertises tariffs he advertised. He was going to gut the federal USDA the Department of agriculture… He told them what he would do and they voted for it intentionally there was no mistake. They voted on purpose.
Of course you will have food. You can buy from both Canada, Mexico, the EU and a whole bunch of other places. Play stupid games, wine. stupid prices. Greetings / Swede
I live in a very rural and red state area and this is directly impacting the farmers in my community. Part of me feels like the parent that finally allows the kid to touch the stove because nothing else has worked, but I think if we are going to make a difference and reach the people that are being hurt, we need to have answers or information so they can get help in a non-partisan way. You can't bring people around to your way of thinking by telling them they deserve this. Their predicament implies that they may already know it but no one loves being told they're stupid.
"We need to have answers or information so they can get help in a non-partisan way."
Deborah, this is so much harder than you make it sound. Apparently fast-based journalism like AP and Reuters are liberal now. I've literally linked peer reviewed scientific studies and had them discounted because "the researchers had some government funding from XXX department that is corrupt". Decisions in courts of law by Republican appointed judges are now considered to be part of the left "deep-state".
God himself could come down from heaven and tell these people that they're wrong on a number of things, and 90% of them would react with "Wow, this goes even deeper than I thought!"
I'm not trying to be cynical, this is my lived experience through dozens, if not hundreds, of conversations. When I ask for sources on their points of view, it's primarily podcasts and loosely weaved together conspiracy based on fragmented data points. Much of the substance of the conclusions reached are completely unverifiable.
At this point I think the "find out" phase of FAFO is the only thing that has a chance of getting through.
Agree. I feel like people willfully voted in a way that ignored any red flag telling them it was against their own interests.
I've trolled a couple of people asking when egg prices were going to come down and been attacked.
Was I being petty? Yes. But it underscores my point. Those currently unaffected, willfully want to ignore what they know to be true and call me un American.
These famers effed around and found out. They, like every MAGA I've ever spoken to, believed trump's policies would affect the "other" and not them.
Well, it's not like we didn't know what was going to happen! In Trump's first term (2018 - 2019) he had to buy out Midwest farmers to the tune of $28 billion because of Chinese retaliation to the tariffs. And guess where the Chinese buy their soybeans now... Brazil!!
New Farm bill passed by exactly who would do that Congress? They’re too busy with their head up Elon Musk ass while he fires every government organization that would help farmers or our country. You want to bill past once you call Trump and tell him to get off the fucking golf course
Yeah, i totally agree, and live in a rural farm community as well. Sometimes the only way that people learn is the consequences of their choices. But I just sit back and wonder how many regular folks like us who tried, over and over, to sound the warning bells over the last few years, will starve the next four years because we can no longer afford groceries. It’s genuinely terrifying.
I hope all the Comrade Trump voters lose their farms and end up working in Walmart, so they can find out what it feels like to work hard and STILL QUALIFY for food stamps.
OH, BUT WAIT! They voted for Comrade Trump because he promised to get rid of AFDC, Welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, and all the other programs that help the working poor! Therefore, the bankrupted farmers will not be able to get ANY of those things! EXCELLENT! WONDERFUL!
How so? End of a pandemic, supply chain issues, inflation? These issues affected everyone. Farmers, like fossil fuels, get a lot of breaks that I, backyard veggie gardener I am, do not get. I agree with Ms Rowell. This shit has been happening for decades. Where I’m having a problem is these farmers blaming Biden. The US recovered from the pandemic faster than any other country: fuel prices, food prices, inflation - all of it. Of course those who spend their time getting info from opinion media wouldn’t know because the assholes who put it out there don’t want you to know. Call it manipulation, social engineering or whatever. Perhaps farmers should expand their info gathering base and look at objective data. It is truly horrible what is happening to farmers but there are a lot of other people, far more other people than farmers, who are getting fucked because of vengeance by an incompetent whining ass brat didn’t get his way in 2020.
I don't disagree with you, and in fact I'd say the small farms have been taking a beating for many years whether it's a Republican majority or a Democratic majority. Big Ag has been pushing out small farmers for years and nobody has put up a fight in Washington because Big Ag is big business. I grew up on a small farm going back three generations and I understand some of the hurdles they face. When Missouri politicians say they are for the farmer, they mean CAFO's not small farms. What is devastating is the freeze of funds for contracts that have already been made with farmers for updating equipment, etc. The farmers have cash outlay and now the contract is not being honored. This is the current administration's actions so this is who we need to take on right now.
I agree whole heartedly with your point. BUT most voted for this. There 100Ks of federal workers losing their livelihood which some were vital to small farmers - you know those processing grants and loans. Other federal jobs are vital to my life too.
I am horrified by what is happening with our federal employees. I've made calls to Josh Hawley, Eric Schmidt and Eric Burlison's office, along with our AG regarding the firing of federal employees. I've made those calls every day and follow up with emails. Alt National Park has been giving updates that have been really helpful. Our elected officials have abdicated their duties, so if anybody should go, it's them. If you are in the middle of this, you have my full support!
How so? End of a pandemic, supply chain issues, inflation? These issues affected everyone. Farmers, like fossil fuels, get a lot of breaks that I, backyard veggie gardener I am, do not get. I agree with Ms Rowell. This shit has been happening for decades. Where I’m having a problem is these farmers blaming Biden. The US recovered faster than any other country: fuel prices, food prices, inflation - all of it. Of course those who spend their time getting info from opinion media wouldn’t know because the assholes who put it out there don’t want them to know. Call it manipulation, social engineering or whatever. Perhaps farmers should expand their info gathering base and look at objective data.
I agree with you. This is the argument I've been having with my conservative friends, that when Biden took office we had a raging pandemic with thousands of people dying every day. Supply chain issues created because of the pandemic, inflation world wide and somehow the US had the softest landing possible. The thing that infuriates me is the expectation that everything was supposed to be fixed immediately which defies logic. And they want government to fix egg prices while allowing the free market to be "free". Again, it defies logic. I don't know how we break through the noise because the "opinion media" is loud and constant. What I do know is that we don't have any opposing voice in the area I live in. This rural area hasn't seen one Democrat on the ballot since I've lived here and if they don't see us, they don't hear us and maybe now would be a good time to offer an opposing view.
AND Biden fought a continuing battle with “greed-flation!” That was a killer IMO, cos like you said, “…the "opinion media" is loud and constant.” MSM did nothing but blame Biden for high prices (they put a pretty good spin on the “price of eggs” issue) when they SHOULD have blamed corporations trying to recoup their losses from COVID. I also think the administration’s efforts were weak in their messaging on this. “Greed-flation” should been their #1 answer when people complained of inflation - even if it meant screaming into the abyss about it - until MSM reported just that.
Accountability may hurt, but it’s an opportunity for growth. And we all go through it in life. So, how will they respond - deny and deflect or honesty and resiliency?
Of course they’re not “stupid” I would never tell them such they voted for this on purpose and intentionally after being explicitly told by the candidate Trump he was going to raise taxes block agricultural subsidies destroy USAID and recall all of the money they spend on farmers… Terminate wheat from Ukraine… And obliterate the USDA… CDC… NIH… He said this in his own words and they voted for that “mandate” so they decided with their vote what’s happening ! They’re grown-ups they did this intentionally
The "E" - Equity in DEI includes small farms. It's SHOCKING so many FARMERS DIDN'T KNOW that the WIC and SNAP programs were FARM SUBSIDIES.
FOXNEWS talking heads said poor people were being steaks and candy .....NOT TRUE. When my family was on WIC--we qualified while my husband was ACTIVE DUTY ARMY(!!!) btw--I could only buy baby formula, cheese, milk, and cereals ..... why?? because it was a FARM SUBSIDY.
I don't think Trump or Musk cares if large agribusiness and private equity firms aquire those lands. Its a damn shame but I'm not sure this can be turned around.
WIC stands for Women•Infants•Children & as you know, there are specific foundational foods and drinks approved for this program. It’s to ensure that pregnant women have access to nutrients for themselves & the growing baby, an infant has formula, toddlers have calcium, iron, protein, etc from milk, cereals, eggs, pb, cheeses, fruits, vegetables. All of these, as you said, come from farms. It’s ignorance & misinformation that fuels the regime.
The farmers and their rural neighbors who rely on the agriculture community for jobs voted for this. They literally did it to themselves. Next time when someone tells you they are going to tear up the system you rely on, you might want to believe them. And how many of those programs were initiated by democrats? Don’t do your homework, you usually fail the class.
Exactly, that's another thing that's in his Big Beautiful Bill. If farmers really want to make this right, they will call their senators and tell them they don't support this bill, and if they don't vote against it, then they won't elect them, the next time they run for office, and say it with conviction in their voices.
Exactly, that's another thing that's in his Big Beautiful Bill. If farmers really want to make this right, they will call their senators and tell them they don't support this bill, and if they don't vote against it, then they won't elect them, the next time they run for office, and say it with conviction in their voices.
Ah, remember those signs, God, guns and Trump? All afraid that THEIR workers were ruining the country? Worried about drag queens and men with purses and some poor blind dude in a wheelchair "stealing" a job (DEI baby)? Arms in the air crying about some kid getting a free lunch. Judy Bloom, that crazy liberal, teaching preteens about periods in print. Oh, and that green deal that promised THEM massive gains to protect their crops and land (evil, evil, evil)? And all the while, they FORGOT farming is the #1 most government subsidized thing in the United States. Trumps billionaire friends will be laughing all the way to the bank taking their farms. In good news, all those evil immigrants will be gone, so Monsanto will be happy to hire said farmers as field hands. That said, they may want to leave propaganda news and switch to "main stream media," as they could have heard the fair and balanced TRUTH before voting.
That's raw, but the farmer's have become a protected group because everyone wants their food cheap. This is a market economy, and the average consumer is getting squeezed in every direction.
You forgot to add: rampaging bird-flu decimating chicken flocks and now dairy herds - and their workers. And ICE raids and roundups deporting vital workers and leaving others afraid to show up!
This is a nightmare of epic proportions. I agree, this portends a really, really tough reality for the US in the next six months and beyond. In ways we can barely imagine in this land of usually more than plenty. I'm so sorry. Thank you for sharing, and growing what you can.
Thanks for updating with sources! I am forwarding this , along with my own comments, to the D.C. offices and the regional state offices of my Montana U.S. Senate and House delegation. I am confident it will be brought to the attention of their respective ag liaisons. Especially because I am asking them to tell me what the Senator or Representative is going to correct the harm.
All the best,
David Oien, 3rd generation Montana farmer, and 40-year organic pulse crop and ancient grain producer.
Over the past 3 decades there have been an increasing number of ag subsidy and support programs available to organic farmers. Commodity crops like grain , corn, soy beans are supported, organic or conventional, if the farmer chooses to particulate, via price supports, loans, and crop insurance. But many organic farmers of any crop can apply for EQIP (Environmental Quality Incentive Program) competitive grants and receive cost share for conservation practices, pollinator habitat plantings, etc. There are new farmer loan programs that are available to both organic and conventional applicants, as well as VAPG (Value Added Producer Grants) competitive grants that support groups of farmers for financing equipment & value added product and market development. Certified organic farmers also qualify for cost share on certification fees. Finally, the Biden Administration’s IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) and ARPA (American Rescue Plan Assistance) has supported many organic agriculture organic infrastructure projects, as has pre-Biden USDA programs like REAP (Rural Energy for America) grant cost share for energy efficiency and renewable energy projects, Regional Food Business Centers that offer services to small and mid-scale ag businesses technical assistance, for product development, and marketing. At the research level USDA now annually invests millions of $$ in organic research via its ARS ( Agricultural Research Service) research centers. and by funding organic production research at Land Grant Universities in various states.
So it has become a complex and increasingly colorful tapestry of support of organics since I moved back to the farm in Montana in 1976 and became certified organic in the 1980’s. Organic production and infrastructure really developed and became mainstream after the establishment of the National Organic Program in 2000. Organic food is now a $89Billion industry in the US and approx 4% of all food produced. Federal programs for organic production lag behind (at about 1%) on a percentage basis, but organics have been gaining literal and figurative ground for 40 years.
Trump’s impoundment of funds and talk of tariffs is already causing confusion chaos at the federal, state, and farmer level for all of agriculture. The ultimate impact is unknown, of course.
Major disconnect. I will be very surprised if RFK JR has any opportunity to move the needle at all on any MAHA agenda. The fact that he was even nominated for HHS was likely a simple quid pro quo for dropping out of the Presidential race and endorsing Trump. With that transaction now past, RFK JR is fodder to be run over by the Musk Bus, unless his anti-vax reputation comes in handy for defunding medical research.
Thank you for the response David. I try to eat organic or at least sustainably produced food. Time will tell if JFKJr makes any headwind with the chemicals used in food production but agree with him that it’s likely all show. If I understand correctly, the defunding/firing of medical scientists is occurring. Surely, I can’t be the only person thinking their goal is to cull the population via infectious disease/s.
It's #FAFO season. The only thing I'm mad about is that everyone has to suffer as a direct result of what MOST of these farmers did, which was to vote him in.
Farmer's have families, who grew up rurally but are able to get their kids college educations, who in turn vote for republicans. They wear their livelihood with pride, and everyone esteems them for their contributions for which we all depend. They will take the subsidies and support from wherever, and whoever gives it. Yet they like to think of themselves as independent. What other profession is society so reliant on for such a fundamental basic need. And they know it.
My grandparents were farmers but on his deathbed my maternal grandfather told me to never vote for a RepubliCON because they are for the wealthy and then siphon off government monies for themselves! That was 1978 and Grandpa Bill you were right and I have never voted for a RepubliCON! Sorry farmers you were stupid and voted for the Orange Monster!!!
I mean, Trump and co. basically WANT independent/ smaller farmers to fail, right? So Factory Farms Big Agriculture can swoop in and buy them all up at fire sale prices, yeah?
Every single person who cast their vote for Trump is getting what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of the country and the world will suffer as well. If he actually leaves after 4 years, hopefully most of the damage can be fixed over the next decade. For many, it will be too late.
Loving these Trump bashing comments! I’m a full time farmer and I voted Trump!! I’m loving all the changes being made in our country - the last 4 years about killed the farmers! If you’re not a farmer, you don’t know what we have been through, so I really don’t think you should be making comments. Cattle prices more than doubled under Biden! Did anyone notice your ribeye went from $10/pound to over $20/pound? Fertilizer prices went up, seed went up, machinery and trucks went wayyy up, fuel went up,………but let’s blame Trump for all that! As far as workers, legal migrant workers have been here for years, and will continue to come here to work…..due to the lazy, fat Americans that lay around on disability or waiting for the handouts Biden has been giving. We’re 3 weeks in and the democrats can’t talk about the billions of wasted money that has been discovered, let’s complain about food prices (that Biden raised) and the poor farmers. Sorry, no farmer I know is complaining about anything this year. Things were so bad for us the past few years we know it’s going to get better!
Becky - Thank you so much for your comment. Yes, things were bad under Biden. Especially for cattle ranchers (commodity crop producers had a few very good years under Biden, thanks to high commodity prices, but that didn't help cattle ranchers any!). But I want you to know I understand where you are coming from and have experienced many of them myself! I would love to speak with you more about this if you're willing. Check your inbox, I sent you a message!
How about blaming the supply chain and pandemic. Yeah, farmers are last in line for gov handouts. If muskrat actually found billions in wasted money, don’t you think the evidence would be publicized?. NO evidence has been presented to the public. What he has done so far is destroy every agency investigating him.
I have read some about the problems in the cattle industry. The high prices are not from the result of a political action or a political party anymore that avian flu, and the problem with eggs and chickens are the result of politics. Put the blame where the blame goes.
You are seriously a disgrace! He’s a Nazi fascist!! He’s destroying our democracy! Are you not seeing what’s happening? You may think all these Americans are fat and lazy. I’ve worked since I was 14! You think Biden just gives out disability? You’re fucking wrong!! I was in a wheelchair and paralyzed and was denied!! So you know nothing!! It wasn’t just hard for farmers. It was hard for everyone. It started from the administration before Biden. He actually brought it down some! Along with unemployment. Do your research before you talk trash!! trump is a enemy of the United States!!!!
Becky that is totally BS. Ribeye is $8.99 a pound and I can send you the grocery fliers. 2 major chains. We all saw the post pandemic inflation but that came down significantly over last two years. Poor Farmers, bullshit again. Let’s look at the welfare you got from the government-2019 $14b, 2020 $35b Covid aid to agriculture. 2021 $14b, 2022 $17b, 2023 $12.6b. Why don’t you get your lazy ass to work and actually farm instead of sucking off the taxpayer’s teeth? Farmer Georgie, Honestly not sure why you try to kowtow and reason with a liar like Becky.
So taking billions in subsidies from farmers is the best move? Did you read the post?
Are you truly a farmer? If so, don’t think that this smash and grab by f’elon won’t affect you at some point. Blaming Biden for all of your problems at this point is simply absurd. Unfortunately for all of us, it’s on trump’s watch now.
Wait and see, you poor delusional soul. By their fruits shall you know them. President Musk his flunky Trump will produce rotten evil fruit. It’s not immigrant poisoning our country; it MAGA
Glad someone is enjoying the changes. Some farmers who invested in erosion control with the promise of government subsidy don’t sound too happy about being cut off. I am not happy that Musk has been given free rein to access personal data of virtually all Americans, fired air traffic controllers, fired nuclear security personnel, cut USAID funding and fired workers who had to leave places like Congo Kinshasa with nothing more than a carry-on bag, has already destroyed our international reputation and standing. He is threatening to “take” Canada and Greenland. That could result in a war against NATO. How do you think that will play out? No winners. Besides the cuts, Trump is violating federal law, ignoring federal judges and preparing to become a dictator. That is not the America I grew up learning about or served 20 years in the Navy to defend.
I’m very sorry for the farmers, but I can’t help but think back to the interviews before the election with farmers in the Midwest who were so disgusted with the Democrats that they had decided to cast their lot with Trump who was going to save them! Trump told everyone what he was going to do. Tariffs! If you do your homework you should know that tariffs hurt the consumer and they have far-reaching consequences. All of this could have easily been avoided.
I agree completely with you. I was thinking the same exact thing. I am perplexed by the fact that people are surprised by all of the chaos and trouble coming up. Trump is a chaos maker and he loves chaos. And the bigger problem is that he’s trying to run the Country, and its people, like a business because all he thinks about is money and attention, power and profits. He’s all about profits over people. I don’t know how so many people were duped into believing that he would “save” them or that he cared about them at all?! He’s made it very clear he does not care about anybody else but himself. He needs to be forcibly removed from office along with all his buddies and put in jail or sent off to some foreign island where he has nothing, and he has to figure out how to survive like the rest of us.
As a farmer in Minnesota - please do not lump us as all voting for Trump! This attitude - lumping farmers with MAGA - is a serious problem. Please re-examine your mindset. These tariffs are a disaster, and MANY of us knew this was coming if he was elected.
Don't be. They are sitting on multi-million dollars of land as well as trusts and every tax advantaged possible land transfer. They will be fine no matter what, that's the point, they want to hurt you for existing. They want to hurt you because they didn't understand your social group or context, and simply want to hurt you because it somehow takes away from their existence. You know, narcissism aka Minnesota Nice. They bullied the fuck out of anyone different, in any way as kids, what do you think they are like as adults? It doesn't change, it's like being trapped in middle school.
It’s frustrating how predictable this all was. Do you think they’ve learned their lesson, or will they double down next time?
Who is ‘They’?
Confused as to who you are referring to?
Trump lied about everything else though, and remember last time tarrifs weren't that bad - they were selective and the government reimbursed US farmers for their losses.
They weren’t “that bad” BECAUSE he reimbursed the farmers. So nobody learned the real story of tariffs.
YUP ! These adults who voted voted intentionally for the rhetoric that was clearly specified before the election and so I agree with you except for your first six words… I don’t feel sorry for someone that gets exactly what they voted to happen. I don’t feel sorry for farmers….
There are no more important than the national defense the nuclear scientists that were fired this weekend the FBI and CIA agents who have literally put their lives on the line for the security of our country… The teachers and foreign aid workers that have been terminated without notice… If farmers are pissed, tell them to call Trump not post bullshit on social media
It’s frustrating how predictable this all was. Do you think they’ve learned their lesson, or will they double down next time?
"You reap as you sow." so the story goes. How many farmers voted for Trump this time around?
Trump lied to them - that they believed it is besides the point. If we don't have farmers we don't have food.
Trump did absolutely not lie! He advertises tariffs he advertised. He was going to gut the federal USDA the Department of agriculture… He told them what he would do and they voted for it intentionally there was no mistake. They voted on purpose.
Your first sentence.
Of course you will have food. You can buy from both Canada, Mexico, the EU and a whole bunch of other places. Play stupid games, wine. stupid prices. Greetings / Swede
Wine?? Or whine?
We did! Trump holds China’s feet to the fire. This helps with trade. Canada has been screwing us for years on potash. Why the sudden upheaval?
I live in a very rural and red state area and this is directly impacting the farmers in my community. Part of me feels like the parent that finally allows the kid to touch the stove because nothing else has worked, but I think if we are going to make a difference and reach the people that are being hurt, we need to have answers or information so they can get help in a non-partisan way. You can't bring people around to your way of thinking by telling them they deserve this. Their predicament implies that they may already know it but no one loves being told they're stupid.
"We need to have answers or information so they can get help in a non-partisan way."
Deborah, this is so much harder than you make it sound. Apparently fast-based journalism like AP and Reuters are liberal now. I've literally linked peer reviewed scientific studies and had them discounted because "the researchers had some government funding from XXX department that is corrupt". Decisions in courts of law by Republican appointed judges are now considered to be part of the left "deep-state".
God himself could come down from heaven and tell these people that they're wrong on a number of things, and 90% of them would react with "Wow, this goes even deeper than I thought!"
I'm not trying to be cynical, this is my lived experience through dozens, if not hundreds, of conversations. When I ask for sources on their points of view, it's primarily podcasts and loosely weaved together conspiracy based on fragmented data points. Much of the substance of the conclusions reached are completely unverifiable.
At this point I think the "find out" phase of FAFO is the only thing that has a chance of getting through.
Agree. I feel like people willfully voted in a way that ignored any red flag telling them it was against their own interests.
I've trolled a couple of people asking when egg prices were going to come down and been attacked.
Was I being petty? Yes. But it underscores my point. Those currently unaffected, willfully want to ignore what they know to be true and call me un American.
These famers effed around and found out. They, like every MAGA I've ever spoken to, believed trump's policies would affect the "other" and not them.
Brutal lesson.
Well, it's not like we didn't know what was going to happen! In Trump's first term (2018 - 2019) he had to buy out Midwest farmers to the tune of $28 billion because of Chinese retaliation to the tariffs. And guess where the Chinese buy their soybeans now... Brazil!!
And part of the reason for his tariffs is to allow tax cuts.
Well the $28 billion you refer to that went to Ag was more than dollars collected from the tariffs. Net loss of money to the Treasury.
Exactly!
Agree! We are literally hitting a wall!
They had enough "resources" to vote for him...they need to band together and figure out how to undo what they did on their own.
New farm bill needs to be passed
Yeah, really. Congress can’t find its ass with both hands.
New Farm bill passed by exactly who would do that Congress? They’re too busy with their head up Elon Musk ass while he fires every government organization that would help farmers or our country. You want to bill past once you call Trump and tell him to get off the fucking golf course
You think it will be enacted into law ?
I understand your point but disagree with the not liking being told you made a stupid decision. They need to hear it, live it everyday.
Yeah, i totally agree, and live in a rural farm community as well. Sometimes the only way that people learn is the consequences of their choices. But I just sit back and wonder how many regular folks like us who tried, over and over, to sound the warning bells over the last few years, will starve the next four years because we can no longer afford groceries. It’s genuinely terrifying.
I do not want to reach them.
I hope all the Comrade Trump voters lose their farms and end up working in Walmart, so they can find out what it feels like to work hard and STILL QUALIFY for food stamps.
OH, BUT WAIT! They voted for Comrade Trump because he promised to get rid of AFDC, Welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, and all the other programs that help the working poor! Therefore, the bankrupted farmers will not be able to get ANY of those things! EXCELLENT! WONDERFUL!
How so? End of a pandemic, supply chain issues, inflation? These issues affected everyone. Farmers, like fossil fuels, get a lot of breaks that I, backyard veggie gardener I am, do not get. I agree with Ms Rowell. This shit has been happening for decades. Where I’m having a problem is these farmers blaming Biden. The US recovered from the pandemic faster than any other country: fuel prices, food prices, inflation - all of it. Of course those who spend their time getting info from opinion media wouldn’t know because the assholes who put it out there don’t want you to know. Call it manipulation, social engineering or whatever. Perhaps farmers should expand their info gathering base and look at objective data. It is truly horrible what is happening to farmers but there are a lot of other people, far more other people than farmers, who are getting fucked because of vengeance by an incompetent whining ass brat didn’t get his way in 2020.
Totally agree with this! They need to contact their elected officials and the president just like we have been doing. Glad to have their voices.
Too Bad - not much can be done with STUPID
I want the farmers to hurt as Much as all the pain to the 1,000s of great Americans who work in Govt. that keep this country running
Karma is a bitch
The farmers got 80 billion of tax payer $$$$
So let them
Eat cake and go broke
We don't need these free loader on the Dole. Let's see Musk clean up this fraud, corruption and waste ????
Those farmers you are talking about have been taking a beating for the last three years.
I don't disagree with you, and in fact I'd say the small farms have been taking a beating for many years whether it's a Republican majority or a Democratic majority. Big Ag has been pushing out small farmers for years and nobody has put up a fight in Washington because Big Ag is big business. I grew up on a small farm going back three generations and I understand some of the hurdles they face. When Missouri politicians say they are for the farmer, they mean CAFO's not small farms. What is devastating is the freeze of funds for contracts that have already been made with farmers for updating equipment, etc. The farmers have cash outlay and now the contract is not being honored. This is the current administration's actions so this is who we need to take on right now.
I agree whole heartedly with your point. BUT most voted for this. There 100Ks of federal workers losing their livelihood which some were vital to small farmers - you know those processing grants and loans. Other federal jobs are vital to my life too.
I am horrified by what is happening with our federal employees. I've made calls to Josh Hawley, Eric Schmidt and Eric Burlison's office, along with our AG regarding the firing of federal employees. I've made those calls every day and follow up with emails. Alt National Park has been giving updates that have been really helpful. Our elected officials have abdicated their duties, so if anybody should go, it's them. If you are in the middle of this, you have my full support!
Thank you for calling!
But who arr they blaming?
How so? End of a pandemic, supply chain issues, inflation? These issues affected everyone. Farmers, like fossil fuels, get a lot of breaks that I, backyard veggie gardener I am, do not get. I agree with Ms Rowell. This shit has been happening for decades. Where I’m having a problem is these farmers blaming Biden. The US recovered faster than any other country: fuel prices, food prices, inflation - all of it. Of course those who spend their time getting info from opinion media wouldn’t know because the assholes who put it out there don’t want them to know. Call it manipulation, social engineering or whatever. Perhaps farmers should expand their info gathering base and look at objective data.
I agree with you. This is the argument I've been having with my conservative friends, that when Biden took office we had a raging pandemic with thousands of people dying every day. Supply chain issues created because of the pandemic, inflation world wide and somehow the US had the softest landing possible. The thing that infuriates me is the expectation that everything was supposed to be fixed immediately which defies logic. And they want government to fix egg prices while allowing the free market to be "free". Again, it defies logic. I don't know how we break through the noise because the "opinion media" is loud and constant. What I do know is that we don't have any opposing voice in the area I live in. This rural area hasn't seen one Democrat on the ballot since I've lived here and if they don't see us, they don't hear us and maybe now would be a good time to offer an opposing view.
AND Biden fought a continuing battle with “greed-flation!” That was a killer IMO, cos like you said, “…the "opinion media" is loud and constant.” MSM did nothing but blame Biden for high prices (they put a pretty good spin on the “price of eggs” issue) when they SHOULD have blamed corporations trying to recoup their losses from COVID. I also think the administration’s efforts were weak in their messaging on this. “Greed-flation” should been their #1 answer when people complained of inflation - even if it meant screaming into the abyss about it - until MSM reported just that.
So true!
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Accountability may hurt, but it’s an opportunity for growth. And we all go through it in life. So, how will they respond - deny and deflect or honesty and resiliency?
Of course they’re not “stupid” I would never tell them such they voted for this on purpose and intentionally after being explicitly told by the candidate Trump he was going to raise taxes block agricultural subsidies destroy USAID and recall all of the money they spend on farmers… Terminate wheat from Ukraine… And obliterate the USDA… CDC… NIH… He said this in his own words and they voted for that “mandate” so they decided with their vote what’s happening ! They’re grown-ups they did this intentionally
Truth hurts.
You are kind.
And this doesn’t even take into account the lack of migrant workers to work the fields. Get ready to spend a whole lot more for produce, etc.
Correct. Farmers voted to decimate their workers. Yes, we all get to pay the price.
IF there is produce to be had!!
The "E" - Equity in DEI includes small farms. It's SHOCKING so many FARMERS DIDN'T KNOW that the WIC and SNAP programs were FARM SUBSIDIES.
FOXNEWS talking heads said poor people were being steaks and candy .....NOT TRUE. When my family was on WIC--we qualified while my husband was ACTIVE DUTY ARMY(!!!) btw--I could only buy baby formula, cheese, milk, and cereals ..... why?? because it was a FARM SUBSIDY.
I don't think Trump or Musk cares if large agribusiness and private equity firms aquire those lands. Its a damn shame but I'm not sure this can be turned around.
WIC stands for Women•Infants•Children & as you know, there are specific foundational foods and drinks approved for this program. It’s to ensure that pregnant women have access to nutrients for themselves & the growing baby, an infant has formula, toddlers have calcium, iron, protein, etc from milk, cereals, eggs, pb, cheeses, fruits, vegetables. All of these, as you said, come from farms. It’s ignorance & misinformation that fuels the regime.
Yes, are farmers really surprised? He told them what he planned to do, and is doing it! They voted for him in droves.
The farmers and their rural neighbors who rely on the agriculture community for jobs voted for this. They literally did it to themselves. Next time when someone tells you they are going to tear up the system you rely on, you might want to believe them. And how many of those programs were initiated by democrats? Don’t do your homework, you usually fail the class.
There may not be a next time to be warned about.
You may well be correct …
Exactly, that's another thing that's in his Big Beautiful Bill. If farmers really want to make this right, they will call their senators and tell them they don't support this bill, and if they don't vote against it, then they won't elect them, the next time they run for office, and say it with conviction in their voices.
Exactly, that's another thing that's in his Big Beautiful Bill. If farmers really want to make this right, they will call their senators and tell them they don't support this bill, and if they don't vote against it, then they won't elect them, the next time they run for office, and say it with conviction in their voices.
Ah, remember those signs, God, guns and Trump? All afraid that THEIR workers were ruining the country? Worried about drag queens and men with purses and some poor blind dude in a wheelchair "stealing" a job (DEI baby)? Arms in the air crying about some kid getting a free lunch. Judy Bloom, that crazy liberal, teaching preteens about periods in print. Oh, and that green deal that promised THEM massive gains to protect their crops and land (evil, evil, evil)? And all the while, they FORGOT farming is the #1 most government subsidized thing in the United States. Trumps billionaire friends will be laughing all the way to the bank taking their farms. In good news, all those evil immigrants will be gone, so Monsanto will be happy to hire said farmers as field hands. That said, they may want to leave propaganda news and switch to "main stream media," as they could have heard the fair and balanced TRUTH before voting.
That's raw, but the farmer's have become a protected group because everyone wants their food cheap. This is a market economy, and the average consumer is getting squeezed in every direction.
You forgot to add: rampaging bird-flu decimating chicken flocks and now dairy herds - and their workers. And ICE raids and roundups deporting vital workers and leaving others afraid to show up!
This is a nightmare of epic proportions. I agree, this portends a really, really tough reality for the US in the next six months and beyond. In ways we can barely imagine in this land of usually more than plenty. I'm so sorry. Thank you for sharing, and growing what you can.
And sane nations will not purchase our dairy or beef products
If you were they, would you?
We see Canada, Mexico and the EU standing up on various fronts from tariffs to support for the Ukraine as well as speaking up for democracy.
And CDC is not publishing data on bird flu affecting these animals and that puts everyone at risk.
Now we have RFK at the helm of Health and Human Services - winner, winner, chicken dinner!
Thanks for updating with sources! I am forwarding this , along with my own comments, to the D.C. offices and the regional state offices of my Montana U.S. Senate and House delegation. I am confident it will be brought to the attention of their respective ag liaisons. Especially because I am asking them to tell me what the Senator or Representative is going to correct the harm.
All the best,
David Oien, 3rd generation Montana farmer, and 40-year organic pulse crop and ancient grain producer.
My understanding is organic farmers don’t get much in the way of subsidies, correct?
Over the past 3 decades there have been an increasing number of ag subsidy and support programs available to organic farmers. Commodity crops like grain , corn, soy beans are supported, organic or conventional, if the farmer chooses to particulate, via price supports, loans, and crop insurance. But many organic farmers of any crop can apply for EQIP (Environmental Quality Incentive Program) competitive grants and receive cost share for conservation practices, pollinator habitat plantings, etc. There are new farmer loan programs that are available to both organic and conventional applicants, as well as VAPG (Value Added Producer Grants) competitive grants that support groups of farmers for financing equipment & value added product and market development. Certified organic farmers also qualify for cost share on certification fees. Finally, the Biden Administration’s IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) and ARPA (American Rescue Plan Assistance) has supported many organic agriculture organic infrastructure projects, as has pre-Biden USDA programs like REAP (Rural Energy for America) grant cost share for energy efficiency and renewable energy projects, Regional Food Business Centers that offer services to small and mid-scale ag businesses technical assistance, for product development, and marketing. At the research level USDA now annually invests millions of $$ in organic research via its ARS ( Agricultural Research Service) research centers. and by funding organic production research at Land Grant Universities in various states.
So it has become a complex and increasingly colorful tapestry of support of organics since I moved back to the farm in Montana in 1976 and became certified organic in the 1980’s. Organic production and infrastructure really developed and became mainstream after the establishment of the National Organic Program in 2000. Organic food is now a $89Billion industry in the US and approx 4% of all food produced. Federal programs for organic production lag behind (at about 1%) on a percentage basis, but organics have been gaining literal and figurative ground for 40 years.
Trump’s impoundment of funds and talk of tariffs is already causing confusion chaos at the federal, state, and farmer level for all of agriculture. The ultimate impact is unknown, of course.
Exactly! And the mental dissonance with the MAHA movement is mind-boggling.
Major disconnect. I will be very surprised if RFK JR has any opportunity to move the needle at all on any MAHA agenda. The fact that he was even nominated for HHS was likely a simple quid pro quo for dropping out of the Presidential race and endorsing Trump. With that transaction now past, RFK JR is fodder to be run over by the Musk Bus, unless his anti-vax reputation comes in handy for defunding medical research.
Thank you for the response David. I try to eat organic or at least sustainably produced food. Time will tell if JFKJr makes any headwind with the chemicals used in food production but agree with him that it’s likely all show. If I understand correctly, the defunding/firing of medical scientists is occurring. Surely, I can’t be the only person thinking their goal is to cull the population via infectious disease/s.
It's #FAFO season. The only thing I'm mad about is that everyone has to suffer as a direct result of what MOST of these farmers did, which was to vote him in.
Farm vote is very small fraction of voters who demanded a change
But not a small factor in the electoral college which is why right wing has courted them for decades. We cannot undo that level of blind stupidity.
Farmer's have families, who grew up rurally but are able to get their kids college educations, who in turn vote for republicans. They wear their livelihood with pride, and everyone esteems them for their contributions for which we all depend. They will take the subsidies and support from wherever, and whoever gives it. Yet they like to think of themselves as independent. What other profession is society so reliant on for such a fundamental basic need. And they know it.
My grandparents were farmers but on his deathbed my maternal grandfather told me to never vote for a RepubliCON because they are for the wealthy and then siphon off government monies for themselves! That was 1978 and Grandpa Bill you were right and I have never voted for a RepubliCON! Sorry farmers you were stupid and voted for the Orange Monster!!!
The worst backward move is to cut funding for the move to organic farming practices. These tariffs will cause a major famine.
Isn’t this also in direct opposition to what Kennedy says he wants to do to get America healthy again?
Actually I think Kennedy and the billionaire bros would just as soon see people bite the dust. Literally.
But not until they have repopulated America with plenty of new little tax payers.
Trumps got how many started??
Kennedy is an antivaxxer, he's not interested in making America healthy again.
Big AG won’t let that happen.
What is “healthy”?
I mean, Trump and co. basically WANT independent/ smaller farmers to fail, right? So Factory Farms Big Agriculture can swoop in and buy them all up at fire sale prices, yeah?
Farmland is a valuable asset.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/land-use-land-value-tenure/farmland-ownership-and-tenure
There ya go.
Every single person who cast their vote for Trump is getting what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of the country and the world will suffer as well. If he actually leaves after 4 years, hopefully most of the damage can be fixed over the next decade. For many, it will be too late.
Are you referring to the last four years?
Loving these Trump bashing comments! I’m a full time farmer and I voted Trump!! I’m loving all the changes being made in our country - the last 4 years about killed the farmers! If you’re not a farmer, you don’t know what we have been through, so I really don’t think you should be making comments. Cattle prices more than doubled under Biden! Did anyone notice your ribeye went from $10/pound to over $20/pound? Fertilizer prices went up, seed went up, machinery and trucks went wayyy up, fuel went up,………but let’s blame Trump for all that! As far as workers, legal migrant workers have been here for years, and will continue to come here to work…..due to the lazy, fat Americans that lay around on disability or waiting for the handouts Biden has been giving. We’re 3 weeks in and the democrats can’t talk about the billions of wasted money that has been discovered, let’s complain about food prices (that Biden raised) and the poor farmers. Sorry, no farmer I know is complaining about anything this year. Things were so bad for us the past few years we know it’s going to get better!
Becky - Thank you so much for your comment. Yes, things were bad under Biden. Especially for cattle ranchers (commodity crop producers had a few very good years under Biden, thanks to high commodity prices, but that didn't help cattle ranchers any!). But I want you to know I understand where you are coming from and have experienced many of them myself! I would love to speak with you more about this if you're willing. Check your inbox, I sent you a message!
How about blaming the supply chain and pandemic. Yeah, farmers are last in line for gov handouts. If muskrat actually found billions in wasted money, don’t you think the evidence would be publicized?. NO evidence has been presented to the public. What he has done so far is destroy every agency investigating him.
Spot on!!!!!
Tough, Becky. You’re about to find out who was the true source of your problems all along. Good luck.
I have read some about the problems in the cattle industry. The high prices are not from the result of a political action or a political party anymore that avian flu, and the problem with eggs and chickens are the result of politics. Put the blame where the blame goes.
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You are seriously a disgrace! He’s a Nazi fascist!! He’s destroying our democracy! Are you not seeing what’s happening? You may think all these Americans are fat and lazy. I’ve worked since I was 14! You think Biden just gives out disability? You’re fucking wrong!! I was in a wheelchair and paralyzed and was denied!! So you know nothing!! It wasn’t just hard for farmers. It was hard for everyone. It started from the administration before Biden. He actually brought it down some! Along with unemployment. Do your research before you talk trash!! trump is a enemy of the United States!!!!
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Well, I hope you enjoy getting who you voted for. Just remember, you did this.
Enjoy losing your ranch, Becky! May you have the day you voted for.
Becky that is totally BS. Ribeye is $8.99 a pound and I can send you the grocery fliers. 2 major chains. We all saw the post pandemic inflation but that came down significantly over last two years. Poor Farmers, bullshit again. Let’s look at the welfare you got from the government-2019 $14b, 2020 $35b Covid aid to agriculture. 2021 $14b, 2022 $17b, 2023 $12.6b. Why don’t you get your lazy ass to work and actually farm instead of sucking off the taxpayer’s teeth? Farmer Georgie, Honestly not sure why you try to kowtow and reason with a liar like Becky.
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Good for you Becky! I hope you enjoy you’re poverty.
So taking billions in subsidies from farmers is the best move? Did you read the post?
Are you truly a farmer? If so, don’t think that this smash and grab by f’elon won’t affect you at some point. Blaming Biden for all of your problems at this point is simply absurd. Unfortunately for all of us, it’s on trump’s watch now.
FAFO Becky. Buckle up.
Wait and see, you poor delusional soul. By their fruits shall you know them. President Musk his flunky Trump will produce rotten evil fruit. It’s not immigrant poisoning our country; it MAGA
aren’destroying the garden,
Glad someone is enjoying the changes. Some farmers who invested in erosion control with the promise of government subsidy don’t sound too happy about being cut off. I am not happy that Musk has been given free rein to access personal data of virtually all Americans, fired air traffic controllers, fired nuclear security personnel, cut USAID funding and fired workers who had to leave places like Congo Kinshasa with nothing more than a carry-on bag, has already destroyed our international reputation and standing. He is threatening to “take” Canada and Greenland. That could result in a war against NATO. How do you think that will play out? No winners. Besides the cuts, Trump is violating federal law, ignoring federal judges and preparing to become a dictator. That is not the America I grew up learning about or served 20 years in the Navy to defend.
What do you subscribe to this feed then ? Seems weird